Did Zira know how Scar became king?

Did Zira know how Scar became king?

Postby ValiantVitani » August 8th, 2019, 5:10 am

I was thinking about this, and while, obviously, she would know that he took over when Mufasa died, did she know Scar was responsible for that? Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly, but I don't recall Zira ever saying anything at all about what Scar did as king, or how he became king. Now, this could be because she didn't want to let her kids, and especially Kovu, know about the true nature of the lion they were fighting to avenge. It would probably be problematic if they knew the truth of the story. However, I was thinking about a different possibility.

What if Zira legitimately did not know that Scar was responsible for Mufasa's death or Simba's flight? If she simply believed Scar's story that Mufasa died trying to save Simba, her vendetta against Simba makes a lot more sense. If she truly believed that Scar was the rightful king and had taken the throne legitimately in the aftermath of tragedy, it is completely understandable why she would hate Simba so; if this version of events were true, then it would be Simba who killed (indirectly) the legitimate king and deposed him. Not to mention, Simba fleeing in the aftermath of the death and then returning later would make it seem likely that he was in some way responsible from an in-world perspective. And it would explain why she was so defiant and zealous even after the rest of her group switched sides; she would legitimately believe her cause was just and that the other side was evil, choosing to die instead of joining them makes sense in that case.

What do you think, is Zira simply being unaware of the full story behind Scar's rise to power a plausible explanation for her behavior and devotion to Scar even after his death?
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Re: Did Zira know how Scar became king?

Postby The Resilient One » August 9th, 2019, 2:03 am

I'd like to believe that Zira truly believed Scar to be as high and mighty as she perceived him to be. Perhaps she was away in a hunting party with a group of other lionesses when Simba confronted Scar, and thus didn't overhear his confession. Or, she could have known the truth all along, yet just chose to continue blindly follow him out of some sort of twisted admiration.
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Re: Did Zira know how Scar became king?

Postby TheBlackCatCrossing » August 9th, 2019, 5:39 pm

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Re: Did Zira know how Scar became king?

Postby FriendlyHyena » August 15th, 2019, 6:51 am

ValiantVitani wrote:I was thinking about this, and while, obviously, she would know that he took over when Mufasa died, did she know Scar was responsible for that? Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly, but I don't recall Zira ever saying anything at all about what Scar did as king, or how he became king. Now, this could be because she didn't want to let her kids, and especially Kovu, know about the true nature of the lion they were fighting to avenge. It would probably be problematic if they knew the truth of the story. However, I was thinking about a different possibility.

What if Zira legitimately did not know that Scar was responsible for Mufasa's death or Simba's flight? If she simply believed Scar's story that Mufasa died trying to save Simba, her vendetta against Simba makes a lot more sense. If she truly believed that Scar was the rightful king and had taken the throne legitimately in the aftermath of tragedy, it is completely understandable why she would hate Simba so; if this version of events were true, then it would be Simba who killed (indirectly) the legitimate king and deposed him. Not to mention, Simba fleeing in the aftermath of the death and then returning later would make it seem likely that he was in some way responsible from an in-world perspective. And it would explain why she was so defiant and zealous even after the rest of her group switched sides; she would legitimately believe her cause was just and that the other side was evil, choosing to die instead of joining them makes sense in that case.

What do you think, is Zira simply being unaware of the full story behind Scar's rise to power a plausible explanation for her behavior and devotion to Scar even after his death?


I'd wondered that too. I even though, if all she'd known was that Scar was the legit king and Simba, who was supposed to be dead, comes back, confesses to being responsible the death of Mufasa, then leaps at Scar and makes him confess to being responsible for Mufasa's death, then later throws Scar presumably to his death (I'm not sure she knew that it was really the hyenas that killed Scar), and then Simba takes over and kicks her and her cubs out, then I can see why she's so angry and vindictive against Simba.

However, Zira's comment about "Your soul is as black as Scar's" to Kovu or something please her remark about Kovu having a cunning and scheming mind just like Scar may hint that she DID in fact know the truth about Scar, but perhaps didn't care because he was kind to her (or she thought he was.)
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Re: Did Zira know how Scar became king?

Postby SimbasGuard » August 16th, 2019, 4:38 am

FriendlyHyena wrote:Zira's comment about "Your soul is as black as Scar's" to Kovu or something please her remark about Kovu having a cunning and scheming mind just like Scar may hint that she DID in fact know the truth about Scar


I'm inclined to think that Zira did indeed know the truth about Scar for the reasons FriendlyHyena mentioned. She clearly found that to be an attractive trait. Which basically tells you that Zira was already of a psychotic mindset before she met Scar. There is also the fact that in "The Lion Guard" Zira told Kion:

Zira wrote: Scar and I were close very close


I think Scar may have told Zira things he had never told anyone else.
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